Something is definetly wrong with this picture... Here we have a decorated U.S. Army Officer asking a very simple question. "Who is our leader?" If Mr. Obama cannot verify his legal status, then why are we not all asking the same question. Who IS our leader? And irregardless of what you may have heard from some judges regarding 'standing' in attempts to bring this matter before the courts...those judges are WRONG! Every American, young or old, has standing when the Constitution For The United States is questioned. The Constitution was not written for a select few...it was written FOR all...as seen here:
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."It doesn't say anything about selective standing now does it! But by their arrogance those judges have in essence bastardized that part of the of the Constitution that clearly states, "We the people..." Does 'people' have some kind of a different meaning here? Here's what the dictionary states:
people plural noun: men, women, and children. Used to refer to persons in general or everyone, or informally to the group of people that you are speaking to.So getting back to the Army Officer's upcoming court trial it would mean that the United States Army would have to present evidence of Obama's Constitutionally mandated requirement to hold the office that he has illegally entered. The real smart thing to do and settle this question once and for all is to have the United States Army court martial Mr. Obama...as so-called Commander In Chief he is definetly subject to the same rules and regulations as are all the people in the military. ~ Norman E. Hooben
"If a PFC has to show a birth certificate, then it stands to reason that a CIC has the same obligation."
March 31, 2010
Exclusive: Highly Decorated Army Surgeon Lt. Col. Terry Lakin Refuses All Military Orders Until Obama Proves He Is a Natural Born Citizen
A decorated active duty Army medical officer, Lieutenant Colonel Terry Lakin (selected for promotion to Colonel), is calling upon his chain of command and his Congressional delegation to force President Obama to release his original birth certificate. He is the highest ranking officer to go public over this controversy and in late February, was notified that he is subject to near-term deployment to Afghanistan.
His military orders include a requirement that he provide "copies of his birth certificate." LTC Lakin is prepared to provide a certified copy of his certification of vital record that lists his birth hospital, physician's name and other key information. He has provided this document for many other required processes, such as his commissioning into the military as an officer, and his marriage license.
Lakin has earned the distinction of taking care of many Admirals and Generals since working at the Pentagon, where he serves as Chief of Primary Care and Flight Surgeon for the DiLorenzo TRICARE Health Clinic and is the lead Flight Surgeon charged with caring for Army Chief of Staff General Casey's pilots and air crew. LTC Lakin's numerous awards and decorations include the Army Flight Surgeon Badge, Combat Medical Badge, the Bronze Star Medal, the Meritorious Service Medal, the Army Commendation Medal with three Oak Leaf Clusters, the Army Achievement Medal with two Oak Leaf Clusters, the National Defense Service Medal with Bronze Service Star, the Armed Forces Expedition Medal, the Army Reserve Component Achievement Medal, the Army Service Ribbon, the Overseas Service Ribbon sixth award and the NATO service medal. He has served previously in Honduras, Bosnia, Korea, and Afghanistan.
LTC Lakin, a native of Colorado whose residency is Tennessee, has explained to his superiors that he cannot understand how his Oath of Office to protect and defend the Constitution does not allow military officers to pursue proof of eligibility from the Commander-in-Chief. In fact, efforts on his part to seek affirmation of the President's constitutional eligibility have been met with legal evasions. Yet in an open and free society, and especially given Obama's governmental "transparency" initiative, many American citizens are demanding to know the truth. So when the White House launched its transparency initiative online last year, and the website was instantly swamped with emails demanding release of Obama's original birth certificate, it was significant that the website’s assurance to answer any question was quickly removed.
LTC Lakin’s refusal to obey orders (including his deployment orders) puts him at risk of court-martial. A website, SafeguardourConstitution.com, outlines his efforts to seek the truth and prepare for his legal defense. It would be wrong for an officer to be punished for asking a straightforward question merely because no one in the military hierarchy or on Capitol Hill is willing to provide a substantive answer (members of Congress have the obligation of representing constituents and also are sworn to uphold the Constitution). At least one Tennessee Congressional office (Congressman Zach Wamp) forwarded LTC Lakin’s inquiry to the Department of Defense; the Army responded by letter to Rep. Wamp indicating that LTC Lakin's Article 138 complaint (a legal avenue for redress allowed service members for grievances against commanding officers) was deficient and that "the President as Commander-in-Chief is not a commanding officer for the purposes of Article 138 and therefore, no complaint against him may be addressed through this procedure." Yet another representative from the Volunteer State (Tennessee) Marsha Blackburn, co-sponsored legislation introduced by Congressman Bill Posey to require candidates to fix the problem of the lack of a formal process for vetting candidates for “natural born” eligibility.
The Western Journalism Center released an authoritative explanation of the Obama birth controversy that helps to explain the confusion on Capitol Hill which revolves mostly around Obama's online Certification of Live Birth (COLB):
“The Certification of Live Birth is not a copy of the original birth certificate. It is a computer-generated document that the state of Hawaii issues on request to indicate that a birth certificate of some type is ‘on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.’ And there is the problem. Given the statutes in force in 1961, the Certification of Live Birth proves nothing unless we know what is on the original birth certificate. There are several legal areas (involving ethnic quotas and subsidy) for which the state of Hawaii up until June 2009 did not accept its computer-generated Certification of Live Birth as sufficient proof of birth - or parentage - in Hawaii. Why should the citizens of the United States be content with lower standards for ascertaining the qualifications of their President?”
The Obama campaign is to a large degree responsible for the birthplace controversy by at first claiming that Obama was born at Queens Hospital and, at another time, claiming that he was born at Kapioliani Hospital. These conflicting assertions, combined with reports of his paternal grandmother's insistence to an interviewer that he was born in Kenya; and the break-in to the Obama passport file at the State Department (at least one news report alleged the file was cauterized) by an employee of The Analysis Corp., a firm headed by one of Obama's top advisers (John Brennan) have all contributed to escalating demands for Obama to document his "natural born" citizenship status.
Additionally, the Ambassador to the US from Kenya (Peter Ogego) asserted in a radio interview in November 2008 that the President was born in Kenya. A Kenyan Anabaptist minister also provided an affidavit, attesting to a conversation with a civil employee of the Kenyan Government, a Principal Registrar, who confirmed Obama’s birth in Kenya on August 4, 1961, but said his file was classified.
Obama should release his original birth certificate and put an end to relentless speculation over whether he meets the Constitutional fitness test for the nation's highest office. Original documentation for 1961 from the hospital or Department of Health can resolve this point without in any way compromising Obama's privacy or subjecting him to the danger of identity theft.
Patriotic citizens serving in uniform preparing to go into harm's way deserve to be treated with respect and forthrightness - and they need to know whether the Commander in Chief is lawfully entitled to serve in this capacity, or not.
FamilySecurityMatters.org Contributing Editor Margaret Calhoun Hemenway spent 15 years on Capitol Hill, in the House and Senate, and five years as a White House appointee serving President Bush at both DoD and NASA. For further information, contact: Margaret Hemenway at (202) 448-9015
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The certification of constitutional qualification for the office of president
DC Knows that Obama is Ineligible for Office
By JB Williams Tuesday, April 20, 2010
Members from all three branches of the Federal government already know that Barack Hussein Obama is ineligible for the office of President. National leaders, to include members of the US Supreme Court, already know that Barack Hussein Obama is not a “natural born citizen” of the United States of America, and therefore, is ineligible for the office he currently holds. (See JB’s new article on The Bottom Line on Natural Born Citizen)
What they don’t know is how long it will take for most Americans to figure it out, or what to do about it.
The diversionary search for an authentic birth certificate is ongoing and Obama has now spent in excess of $2 million in legal fees to keep that search alive.
What they don’t know is how long it will take for most Americans to figure it out, or what to do about it.
The diversionary search for an authentic birth certificate is ongoing and Obama has now spent in excess of $2 million in legal fees to keep that search alive.
Eric Holder’s Department of Justice continues to deploy taxpayer funded attorneys around the country to file dismissals on behalf of Obama, denying all American citizens access to the courts as a peaceful remedy, which only fuels the fire of discontent and the questions about Obama persist.
Michelle Obama states that Kenya is Barack’s “home country.” She knows, after twenty years with Barack. The Ambassador or Kenya has confirmed the same His family friends all know it, and are in fact quite proud of the fact that Americans had no hesitation in electing a “black man from Kenya” as President of the United States.
The US Supreme Court knows what the constitutional condition of “natural born citizen” means. Even the most far left member of that court, Justice Ginsberg, is on record proclaiming that a “natural born citizen” is a birth child of TWO legal US citizens.
Democrat Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi knows that Barack Hussein Obama is not eligible for the office of president, which is why she refused to certify the following language when certifying Obama as the DNC candidate for president in 2008.
This is the normal language for certification of nomination for president and vice president, filed by the DNC only in the state of Hawaii…
This is the language filed by the DNC in the other 49 states, however…
Note that the language which certifies that Barack Hussein Obama meets all constitutional qualifications is missing in the DNC documents filed in 49 of the 50 states. The certification of constitutional qualification for the office of president was filed only in Hawaii. That text is missing in the DNC certification filings for all other states.
Whereas the RNC filed the exact same certification document, including the constitutional text for John McCain in all 50 states, Obama was technically certified in only one state, Hawaii. A mere inconvenient technicality, I’m sure…
The US Congress knows that Barack Hussein Obama is not constitutionally qualified for the office he holds. Although the congress passed a resolution proclaiming Senator John McCain a “natural born citizen” as the son of two US citizens, no such congressional resolution exists for Barack Hussein Obama.
The press knows that Obama is not a “natural born citizen,” having written on several occasions about the “Kenyan born” senator from Chicago. A number of citizens have already been arrested and jailed for asking these questions.
Over four-hundred law suits have been filed across the country asking the courts to force Obama to become the “transparent president” he promised to be, and all four-hundred are being dismissed before discovery, all on the basis that “no citizen has proper legal standing” to ask who and what their president really is…
Over a half-million citizens have now signed a petition demanding to see Obama’s birth records.
Numerous members of the US Military have refused deployment orders from Obama, on the basis that he refuses to evidence his constitutional qualifications to issue such orders. In most cases, the soldiers have simply been reassigned, so as to avoid any disciplinary action that could end in “defense discovery” which might finally force Obama to open up his files once and for all.
Now an eighteen year veteran flight surgeon and active Lt. Colonel faces court martial as he makes his demands for proof that Obama is constitutionally eligible to issue orders as Commander-in-Chief.
Michelle Obama states that Kenya is Barack’s “home country.” She knows, after twenty years with Barack. The Ambassador or Kenya has confirmed the same His family friends all know it, and are in fact quite proud of the fact that Americans had no hesitation in electing a “black man from Kenya” as President of the United States.
The US Supreme Court knows what the constitutional condition of “natural born citizen” means. Even the most far left member of that court, Justice Ginsberg, is on record proclaiming that a “natural born citizen” is a birth child of TWO legal US citizens.
Democrat Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi knows that Barack Hussein Obama is not eligible for the office of president, which is why she refused to certify the following language when certifying Obama as the DNC candidate for president in 2008.
This is the normal language for certification of nomination for president and vice president, filed by the DNC only in the state of Hawaii…
This is the language filed by the DNC in the other 49 states, however…
Note that the language which certifies that Barack Hussein Obama meets all constitutional qualifications is missing in the DNC documents filed in 49 of the 50 states. The certification of constitutional qualification for the office of president was filed only in Hawaii. That text is missing in the DNC certification filings for all other states.
Whereas the RNC filed the exact same certification document, including the constitutional text for John McCain in all 50 states, Obama was technically certified in only one state, Hawaii. A mere inconvenient technicality, I’m sure…
The US Congress knows that Barack Hussein Obama is not constitutionally qualified for the office he holds. Although the congress passed a resolution proclaiming Senator John McCain a “natural born citizen” as the son of two US citizens, no such congressional resolution exists for Barack Hussein Obama.
The press knows that Obama is not a “natural born citizen,” having written on several occasions about the “Kenyan born” senator from Chicago. A number of citizens have already been arrested and jailed for asking these questions.
Over four-hundred law suits have been filed across the country asking the courts to force Obama to become the “transparent president” he promised to be, and all four-hundred are being dismissed before discovery, all on the basis that “no citizen has proper legal standing” to ask who and what their president really is…
Over a half-million citizens have now signed a petition demanding to see Obama’s birth records.
Numerous members of the US Military have refused deployment orders from Obama, on the basis that he refuses to evidence his constitutional qualifications to issue such orders. In most cases, the soldiers have simply been reassigned, so as to avoid any disciplinary action that could end in “defense discovery” which might finally force Obama to open up his files once and for all.
Now an eighteen year veteran flight surgeon and active Lt. Colonel faces court martial as he makes his demands for proof that Obama is constitutionally eligible to issue orders as Commander-in-Chief.
Obama’s entire domestic, foreign and national defense agenda has proven to be wholly anti-American
Obama’s entire domestic, foreign and national defense agenda has proven to be wholly anti-American on every possible level. Still, the answers concerning who and what Barack Hussein Obama Jr. really is remain elusive in the face of unprecedented efforts to ask the right questions.
No matter who asks, how they ask or where they ask, not one single individual in Washington DC or even state government seems willing to weigh in on the most important issue of our era. Who and what is the man sitting in the people’s White House?
How in the hell did we get an overtly anti-American resident of the people’s White House without so much as a simple birth certificate to prove who this person really is?
And why won’t a single elected representative of the people engage in the effort to force an answer to this question?
The answers to these and many more questions are likely very simple and equally chilling…
No matter who asks, how they ask or where they ask, not one single individual in Washington DC or even state government seems willing to weigh in on the most important issue of our era. Who and what is the man sitting in the people’s White House?
How in the hell did we get an overtly anti-American resident of the people’s White House without so much as a simple birth certificate to prove who this person really is?
And why won’t a single elected representative of the people engage in the effort to force an answer to this question?
The answers to these and many more questions are likely very simple and equally chilling…
The Speaker of the House does not refuse to certify her candidate as “constitutionally qualified” in forty-nine of fifty states by accident
Nobody spends $2 million in legal fees to hide an authentic birth certificate. The Speaker of the House does not refuse to certify her candidate as “constitutionally qualified” in forty-nine of fifty states by accident. A press that knew he was the “first Kenyan born senator” didn’t forget that he was Kenyan born when he decided to run for president.
Most importantly, the people DO have a right (read - proper standing) to ask who and what their president really is, in any court, any time. And soldiers are court-martialed for refusing orders, unless those orders were issued by an illegitimate Commander-in-Chief.
DC knows what most Americans have yet to figure out…
Obama is NOT a natural born citizen no matter where he might have been born. Obama’s birth father was at no time an American citizen and on this basis alone, Obama cannot be a constitutionally qualified resident of the White House.
They know something else that the American people have yet to figure out…
The US Constitution no longer stands as the governing law of this land. Obama’s many unconstitutional policies, Czars, executive orders and statements provide the proof, and the fact that nobody in DC cares whether or not Obama is constitutionally qualified to be president of the United States should send a shiver down the spine of every red blooded American citizen, no matter their partisan agendas.
The people willing to ask the tough questions are deemed crackpots and conspiracy theorists, racists or bigots. But those tough questions should be obvious questions to all Americans and every president should have to answer those questions, no matter race, creed, color or party affiliation.
I fear that those questions will only be answered at the tip of pitch forks and torches one day. Sooner or later, the people will run out of patience with a system built to exclude them. When that day comes, I fear what methods will be employed and whether or not there will be a country left to save by then.
But sooner or later, one way or another, Obama will have to answer those questions. One day, the world will know who and what this man is and there will be a day of reckoning like no other in American history.
The longer it takes for that day to arrive, the more dangerous the situation will become. A man not even qualified to hold the office is using that office to destroy the greatest nation on earth. How much patience can the people be expected to display?
Obama is not eligible for the office he currently holds and everyone in a position to know - already know.
What they don’t know is how much longer they can keep it all a secret, or what will happen next.
Most importantly, the people DO have a right (read - proper standing) to ask who and what their president really is, in any court, any time. And soldiers are court-martialed for refusing orders, unless those orders were issued by an illegitimate Commander-in-Chief.
DC knows what most Americans have yet to figure out…
Obama is NOT a natural born citizen no matter where he might have been born. Obama’s birth father was at no time an American citizen and on this basis alone, Obama cannot be a constitutionally qualified resident of the White House.
They know something else that the American people have yet to figure out…
The US Constitution no longer stands as the governing law of this land. Obama’s many unconstitutional policies, Czars, executive orders and statements provide the proof, and the fact that nobody in DC cares whether or not Obama is constitutionally qualified to be president of the United States should send a shiver down the spine of every red blooded American citizen, no matter their partisan agendas.
The people willing to ask the tough questions are deemed crackpots and conspiracy theorists, racists or bigots. But those tough questions should be obvious questions to all Americans and every president should have to answer those questions, no matter race, creed, color or party affiliation.
I fear that those questions will only be answered at the tip of pitch forks and torches one day. Sooner or later, the people will run out of patience with a system built to exclude them. When that day comes, I fear what methods will be employed and whether or not there will be a country left to save by then.
But sooner or later, one way or another, Obama will have to answer those questions. One day, the world will know who and what this man is and there will be a day of reckoning like no other in American history.
The longer it takes for that day to arrive, the more dangerous the situation will become. A man not even qualified to hold the office is using that office to destroy the greatest nation on earth. How much patience can the people be expected to display?
Obama is not eligible for the office he currently holds and everyone in a position to know - already know.
What they don’t know is how much longer they can keep it all a secret, or what will happen next.
Update 24 April 2010 listen to General Vallely
Wednesday, April 21, 2010
Army Gen. Vallely Sounds Off, Shares Birther Doc's Concerns
As Army Lt Col Dr. Terry Lakin waits for the Army to decide whether he'll be courtmartialed, doubts about Obama's eligibility continue to swirl and pick up steam. Retired Army Major General, national security policy expert, and CEO of Stand Up America Paul Vallely gives us some insight into the Army's legal process, and confides that he shares Lakin's concerns...
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Lt. Col. Lakin is a real hero and patriot, willing to sacrifice his military career for the sake of the Constitution. May God be with him and his family. May truth and justice prevail.
Obama has shown his birth certificate.
The Certification of Live Birth, which he has shown, is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is the only birth certificate that Hawaii sends out. And, Hawaii no longer issues copies of the original birth certificate (http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html).
Hawaii does not allow a birth certificate to be issued that says on it "born in Hawaii" unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii. Obama's says "born in Hawaii" on it, and the facts on it were confirmed twice by the officials in Hawaii.
Oh, and Obama's Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii.
The evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii is public, and it is overwhelming. There is the official birth certificate of Hawaii. Yes, the Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate of Hawaii,and it is the only birth document that Hawii now issues. It no longer sends out copies of the original birth certificate (http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html).
In addition, the officials in Hawaii have twice confirmed the facts on the Certification--that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.
Obama's Kenyan grandmother did not say that he was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii.
There has NEVER been any official documentation on Obama's birth cerificate...if it came from any so-called official then it was from a supporter of Obama and it was a cover-up lie.
Why did Obama's lawyers send threat letter?
http://normanhooben.blogspot.com/2009/09/why-did-obamas-lawyers-send-threat.html
And why has Obama spent 1.4 million dollars to cover it up...
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=106138
When the easy thing to do is simply produce a birth certificate.
Also, His aunt stated unequivocally that she was present at his birth in Kenya.
And why did his aunt suddley die in Boston and Obama never attended the funeral.
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Re the threat letter:
First, it wasn’t sent to the officials in Hawaii, nor does it have anything to do with the documents in Hawaii. It does not threaten the officials in Hawaii.
Second, it says that the defendants consider the lawsuit frivolous, and it promises that if the case is continued, they intend to try to prove that it is frivolous, and if it is proven to be frivolous, there naturally would be sanctions. This is perfectly legal. And, if they prove that the plaintiffs did bring a frivolous suit, it is right and proper that the plaintiffs have to pay for it. Otherwise the taxpayers have to pay.
You also said: “And why has Obama spent 1.4 million dollars to cover it up...”
Answer: He didn’t. There never was a lawsuit against Obama just for the birth certificate. I read about ten birther lawsuits and none of them even asked for the birth certificate to be shown to the court. What you are counting in the 1.4 million figure is overwhelmingly the cases that tried to stop the election. That accounts for by far the majority of the 60-odd cases filed by birthers. Then there were lawsuits trying to stop the Electoral College from voting, the Congress from certifying the election, and to stop the Inauguration.
You said: “When the easy thing to do is simply produce a birth certificate.”
Answer: Obama HAS produced a birth certificate. The Certification of Live Birth, which he posted and showed to both FactCheck and Politifact, is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is the only one that Hawaii issues. Hawaii no longer sends out copies of the original birth certificate (http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html). That is what Hawaii sent to Obama in 2007, so it is the only birth certificate that he can show. And the facts on it were confirmed by the officials in Hawaii, as noted.
You also said: “Also, His aunt stated unequivocally that she was present at his birth in Kenya.”
Answer: It was his step-grandmother and NO SHE DIDN’T. The full tape, and the transcript of the tape shows that she repeatedly said that Obama was born in Hawaii when she was asked ‘Where was he born?” Would you like me to show the transcript?
Re: “And why did his aunt suddley die in Boston and Obama never attended the funeral.”
Answer: She died of natural causes and Obama hardly knew her.
You alleged: “There has NEVER been any official documentation on Obama's birth cerificate...if it came from any so-called official then it was from a supporter of Obama and it was a cover-up lie.”
Answer: You are wrong.
The officials in Hawii have said twice that the facts on Obama’s posted birth certificate (the official birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth), are accurate.
IN the first statement, they said that there was an original birth certificate in the file, and in 1961 foreign birth certificates could not be entered in Hawaii birth files. The spokeswoman for the department then said twice that the statement meant that Obama was born in Hawaii. (http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html)
In the second statement, the Director of the DOH said that the original birth certificate verifies that Obama was born in Hawaii. She said:
"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...." (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm)
As you see, she said that the records verify that Obama was born in Hawaii. We know that at least three officials of Hawaii have seen the original and back this statement. The DOH, the Director of Vital Records who was in the first verification statement, and the clerk. The officials are members of a Republican governor’s administration. The clerk is a civil servant.
Teller...
Don't be so close-minded...open up.
You have no proof but you can sure make up a lot of excuses for the guy. Try listening to Genearl Vallely (recent update above)and don't be so easily convinced one way or the other. One thing is for certain whether he was born here or there, the guy is an anti-American Jew/Christian hater...and that my friend is proven almost daily by Obama's actions...you got to stop listening to what he is saying and watch what it is he is doing.
ps:
Teller...people who intentionally hide behind some made up ID should have no right to any open discussion...usually its the sign of a coward...but I hope you wouldn't take that road for all cowards are usually rewarded with like-kind rewards...in the end anyway!
Re your comment on using a handle. That is normal in Web posting, and the following handles are used often by birthers:
* Dan Draper
* Det. Cliff Hanger
* Dick Whitman
* Sven Magnussen
* BadAssMoFoTooOld4Arguendo
* Bob’sNewFriend
* CousinBill
* CousinEsther
* DrunkenObot(s)
* FlameThrower Extraordinaire
* FTE
* IcanChangeMyScreenName?
* IcanChangeMyScreenNameCousinBill
* InfloriousBuzzard
* IngloriousBasterd
* IngloriousBasturd
* IngloriousBusterd
* IngloriousBuzzard
* IngloriusBasterd
* kerok
* LikeDaTerminatorDaStoryWon’tDie
* MarvelousMarvAlbert
* MuhommadMcLovin
* MysteryMessiahTheatre
* Not Enough Hugs as a Child
* ObotsRCruel
* ObotsREvil
* Pretty in Pink
* Second to the Last Samurai
* SixToeMoe
* Ima Obot
* SwampMop
* IheArtObots
* Dick Whitman II
* PennsylvaniaAvenue
An opinion has no weight unless you know who posted it, but facts are different. The Earth is round regardless of whether I posted it, or SwampMop.
Therefore, the facts are critical. Y* Dan Draper
* Det. Cliff Hanger
* Dick Whitman
* Sven Magnussen
* BadAssMoFoTooOld4Arguendo
* Bob’sNewFriend
* CousinBill
* CousinEsther
* DrunkenObot(s)
* FlameThrower Extraordinaire
* FTE
* IcanChangeMyScreenName?
* IcanChangeMyScreenNameCousinBill
* InfloriousBuzzard
* IngloriousBasterd
* IngloriousBasturd
* IngloriousBusterd
* IngloriousBuzzard
* IngloriusBasterd
* kerok
* LikeDaTerminatorDaStoryWon’tDie
* MarvelousMarvAlbert
* MuhommadMcLovin
* MysteryMessiahTheatre
* Not Enough Hugs as a Child
* ObotsRCruel
* ObotsREvil
* Pretty in Pink
* Second to the Last Samurai
* SixToeMoe
* Ima Obot
* SwampMop
* IheArtObots
* Dick Whitman II
* PennsylvaniaAvenue
An opinion has no weight unless we know the identity of the person who says it, but facts are different. The Earth is round regardless of whether I post it or SwampMop does.
The facts in the Obama situation are that the official birth certificate of Obama has been posted. And, the officials in Hawaii have said twice that the facts on the posted birth document--that Obama was born in Hawaii--were confirmed by the original document in the files. Also, Obama's Kenyan grandmother did not say that he was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii.
The quotations for all of these can be shown if you are interested.
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