Sunday, November 9, 2008

Change You Can Believe In - Christ For Obama - Now That's Change...change for the devil!

Putting Obama before Christ
James L. Lambert - Guest Columnist - 11/3/2008 6:50:00 AM

James LambertA few days ago, I happened to be in the lobby of a medical office discussing politics with a woman who shared with me an interesting story. She had a friend recently tell her that even though Sen. Obama "advocated everything [she] didn't believe in" -- abortion, gay marriage, a bigger role of government in people's lives, higher taxes, etc. -- she was still "thrilled" to vote for Obama as president because he'd be the first black president in our country's history.

While an Obama presidency admittedly would be historic, a person's skin color obviously shouldn't be a criteria for voting for that candidate. Religion -- especially the Christian religion -- has deep roots in this country. Yet it seems that many people who claim the Christian faith are casting their religious values to the curb in favor of being able to claim a role in "a historic event."

Rev. Adlai E. Mack, senior pastor and founder of Christians United Church in San Diego, is alarmed by this trend. It was during the early 1970s, while working toward his bachelor's degree from Princeton University, that Mack was introduced to moral dilemmas such as abortion. He was influenced by Dr. Paul Ramsey, professor of ethics, who decried the technique of ending human life so cavalierly in the womb.

Rev. Mack agreed with Ramsey, and remains grieved that abortion harms so many Bold-- especially those in the black community. According to the Life Education and Resource Network (LEARN) -- the largest African-American evangelical pro-life ministry in the country -- three out of five pregnant African-American women will abort their child.

Besides currently performing his full-time duties as a local pastor, Mack is a longtime Christian activist who routinely visits abortion clinics with the mission to persuade mothers to forgo terminating the life of their unborn child. Last week, Mack directed his thoughts to fellow believers in the church and to the black community at large.

He told this writer on Thursday: "If you're willing to sacrifice your babies, your children, and your business for Mr. Obama, you have that choice -- but I will not."

Mack continued: "If Obama wins, the babies lose. If Obama wins, your children will be discipled by homosexual [activists] in the public schools. If Obama wins, small businesses will suffer. Raising taxes would be the worst remedy during an economic downturn."

Rev. Mack notes that Senator Obama has the most liberal voting record in the U.S. Senate and is a longtime friend of abortion providers. Since joining the Senate in 2005, the Illinois senator has received a 100-percent rating from NARAL Pro-Choice America, the leading abortion advocacy group in the United States.

Furthermore, Obama has injected himself into the debate on gay marriage by denouncing Proposition 8, the California initiative that defines marriage as between one man and one woman. Most Christians agree that Christ himself has already defined marriage as between one man and one woman (Matthew 19:4).

On election eve, Mack concludes by asking his fellow believers: "Are you willing to sacrifice [your beliefs, your convictions] for this one man?"

I ask: Are you willing to put Obama before Christ?

James L. Lambert, a frequent contributor to and author of Porn in America, is a licensed nationwide real-estate mortgage loan sales agent and can be contacted through his website.


Vic Vazz said...

I know Pastor Mac. I use to attend his Church in San Diego, till I moved away. He's one of the most real, sincere Men of God I've EVER met!!!

But, though he might be about some of the issues about Obama, I can NEVER EVER vote Republican again.

Conservative Republicans are WAR hungry, torture hungry, hatred hungry warmongers. I was part of their movement for 10 years, till I started seeing their racist hatred toward illegal immigrants. Then in 2005, I couldn't take it anymore and left the Republican Party.

They claim to know God, but by their fruit they no nothing of God. Jesus is the Prince of Peace, not the Prince of War. Jesus said to love your neighbour as you love yourself, yet Conservatives HATE Latinos.

I voted for Obama, because he care's for the poor, the Latino, and is for social causes, and IMO he is the lesser of two evils.

McCain would of caused World War 3, and the whole world would of suffered and died!!!!!!!!

Storm'n Norm'n said...

Storm'n Norm'n said...
My dear Victor...You are so disillusioned!
Obama does not care a whimper for the poor, the Latino or for social justice. He is systematically destroying everything this country once stood for. He is not an American...he is a fascist-marxist-socialist who wants to remove the Judeo-Christian ideology this country was founded upon...he is leading us into a great Civil War and ultimately a World War. There is so much you have missed along the way during his campaign. I would suggest for you to study the people that Obama studied and see for yourself...probably starting with Saul Alinsky's Rules For Radicals (Obama's Bible). Have you not noticed that he says one thing and does another?
As for the American political parties, Democrat and Republican, they are both corrupt and want to do away with our sovereignty. I did not vote for Obama or McCain because the results would be the same. McCain is also a member of the CFR an organization hell bent on destroying America. Obama speaks before this group with enthuiasm thus making him culpable to the overthrow of the United States of America.
You apparently are very naive and get your views from the mainstream media (MSM)...the MSM is controlled by the left wing of the Democratic party and only give you the news they want you to know...this came about when Bill Clinton signed the Communication ACT of 1996...and ever since that time there has never been in the history of Journalism such hatred put forth by our media(NBC used to have spot commercials suggesting you go to church this Sunday and now they tell you to hate George Bush!)...and guess what? You bought it! Which shows you cannot think for yourself but have to be led by those who dictate...and Obama is a dictator in the truest sense of the word.
I suppose you approve of Obama's stimulus plan...get a life, he's simply printing money! And so he promised you a tax you get $500.00 back and he increases your electric bill by close to $1000.00 (more next year!) and now he wants to add a $1500.00 household tax...that's for each and every household in the country...what country do you live in?
Anyway, sorry to get in you case here but there's not enough space for me to eloborate just how wrong you definetly need to educate yourself in the reality of what is really going on...for example: What was the recent G20 summit meeting all about...Obama was there! You can read more about that here and make sure you watch the video ...always remember this Obama is a puppet for the politic elite and he and they have but one quest, WORLD DOMINATION !

Have a nice day!

Storm'n Norm'n said...

For you Victor, From the British Press...

If al-Qaeda, the Taliban and the rest of the Looney Tunes brigade want to kick America to death, they had better move in quickly and grab a piece of the action before Barack Obama finishes the job himself. Never in the history of the United States has a president worked so actively against the interests of his own people - not even Jimmy Carter.

Obama's problem is that he does not know who the enemy is. To him, the enemy does not squat in caves in Waziristan, clutching automatic weapons and reciting the more militant verses from the Koran: instead, it sits around at tea parties in Kentucky quoting from the US Constitution. Obama is not at war with terrorists, but with his Republican fellow citizens. He has never abandoned the campaign trail..

That is why he opened Pandora's Box by publishing the Justice Department's legal opinions on water-boarding and other hardline interrogation techniques. He cynically subordinated the national interest to his partisan desire to embarrass the Republicans. Then he had to rush toLangley , Virginia to try to reassure a demoralized CIA that had just discovered the President of the United States was an even more formidable foe than al-Qaeda.

"Don't be discouraged by what's happened the last few weeks," he told intelligence officers. Is he kidding? Thanks to him, al-Qaeda knows the private interrogation techniques available to the US intelligence agencies and can train its operatives to withstand [UTF-8?]them รข€” or would do so, if they had not already been outlawed.

So, next time a senior al-Qaeda hood is captured, all the CIA can do is ask him nicely if he would care to reveal when a major population centre is due to be hit by a terror spectacular, or which American city is about to be irradiated by a dirty bomb. Your view of this situation will be dictated by one simple criterion: whether or not you watched the people jumping from the twin towers...

President Pantywaist's recent world tour, cozying up to all the bad guys, excited the ambitions of America's enemies. Here, they realized, is a sucker they can really take to the cleaners.His only enemies are fellow Americans.. Which prompts the question: why does President Pantywaist hate America so badly?

Vic Vazz said...

I agree with you on that both Political Parties are corrupt. And I agree that Obama represents alot of the elite. I don't view him as most Democrats do as some sort of saviour to humanity. I originally was for Hillary, but she lost.

Honestly, next time around I might go a 3rd party that supports the poor. As a Christian, I have realised there are only three things that matter in life. #1 Share the Gospel, #2 Take care of your family, #3 Stand up for the poor, helpless, and oppressed.

As for Pastor Mac of San Diego, he was the first Christian, and Pastor that EVER told me the whole Pretributation Endtime View was FALSE and of the devil. It took me YEARS to finally agree with him after getting my BA in Pastoral Leadership and MA in Theology from Fuller Theological Seminary. He holds a more reformed view of the end times, and I wish more Pastors were like him.

I'm Pro-Life and believe in the sanctity of life of the fetus, but also believe it does NOT end there. I'm against also Capital Punishment due to the fact there have been MANY falsely accused. Texas, the most horrible state in the Union, and has killed more people in Capital Punishment than all the states combined. God will hold them accountable for this.

Dr.King, was probably the most real Christian in our modern ear. He was for civil rights, against the Vietnam war, and right before his death, he was heavily involved in helping the poor. Now you tell me a political party that does those three things. NONE!!!!

Storm'n Norm'n said...

You now have it half obviously don't know Hilary! (Actually, Saul Alinsky wanted her to work for him before he died, but she opted to go on to Yale were she shared his beliefs with Bill might remember, Hilary wrote her thesis on Alinsky...somewhere I have a copy)

Now Dr.'re 100% correct! And President Johnson, a Democrat, hated him!

If you believe that both parties are corrupt, then why did you want Hilary? Hypocritical to say the least. People have to learn to vote their conscience and not a party...and don't use the poor excuse that so and so was the better of two evils...that only makes you a partner to the lessor evil. God did not suggest in any way that we should be a little bit good...God is all good and He expects nothing less...yet He can forgive us our weaknesses for we are only human. Why not be a partner to yourself and all things good...there is nothing good about Obama or fact, you cannot name one good that either one of them performed...all you can do is repeat their empty promises that they never made good on...they got where they're at by lying and cheating and distributing platitudes to the naive masses...also, remember this, less than 10% of the voting population knows what is going on in the real climb out of that bracket as soon as possible...and

Never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never, in nothing, great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense. - Winston Churchill

(note: you can find that saying in the side bar at the right of my blog)

also don't forget about your beliefs concerning both parties corruptness...I wouldn't want to think that you were just a little less corrupt than they

Vic Vazz said...

Here's something for you. Jesus was the first socialist, as were his early followers.

Here's proof:

Acts 4:32-32 Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. 33 With great power the apostles gave their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. 34 There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. 35 They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.

Storm'n Norm'n said...

Tsk, Tsk, my poor lost soul is still out wandering in the desert...
What you have described here is capitalism in it's purest form! They would never have "proceeds" (otherwise known as profits). And in your so-called 'proof' you don't say that the profits were taken from one party and given to Obama is doing. Also, your quote contradicts itself... for they owned and sold for a profit and yet they were held in common...give me a break!

As you know or don't know, John Paul was a firm believer in capitalism, it was what the profiteers did with the profits that bothered him so....

Also from a great theologian...

It is surely undeniable that, when a man engages in remunerative labor, the impelling reason and motive of his work is to obtain property, and thereafter to hold it as his very own. If one man hires out to another his strength or skill, he does so for the purpose of receiving in return what is necessary for the satisfaction of his needs; he therefore expressly intends to acquire a right full and real, not only to the remuneration, but also to the disposal of such remuneration, just as he pleases. Thus, if he lives sparingly, saves money, and, for greater security, invests his savings in land, the land, in such case, is only his wages under another form; and, consequently, a working man's little estate thus purchased should be as completely at his full disposal as are the wages he receives for his labor. But it is precisely in such power of disposal that ownership obtains, whether the property consist of land or chattels. Socialists, therefore, by endeavoring to transfer the possessions of individuals to the community at large, strike at the interests of every wage-earner, since they would deprive him of the liberty of disposing of his wages, and thereby of all hope and possibility of increasing his resources and of bettering his condition in life.

The individual should have the rights to his own labor...and to sell his labor (be it in goods or services) for a small profit...the problem in today's world is that we have too many overly selfish profiteers who make billions of dollars and refuse to relinguish a dime of their own money but want you and I to contribute to their cause...just like Obama!
When the state controls the output of work and/or profits it is the next best thing to slavery

Now don't forget your example of's capitalism under ideal conditions...that is, the people (or capitalists) also provide for the needy...not the government...the problem todahy is too much know when I was much younger the private charites (including the churches) did a wonderful job in distributing to the poor...and now that the government is trying to do it we have more and more poor people...just think, that all the trillions spent since Pres. Johnson's Great Society would have made every poor person in America very, very, where did the money go?
Just take one item that was listed on the original Stimulus plan and that was: Over 600 million dollars for television conversion (they already had a gov't program to help those switching from analog to digital...a 40 dollar credit)...anyway, just think about that number 600 million really, really think about it! Where will that money go? And poor people will still have their old analog TV's after it is distributed...Why not give every man woman and child 2 million dollars and everybody will be happy (the total population is just over 300 million) where is all this 850 billion going to...and by next year we will be into the trillions! Can't you see that only the rich will benefit by the stimulus package, the poor get a stifling while the rich get multi-million dollar contracts to re-distribute wealth...

Meanwhile don't buy anything made by GE...they're in on this rip-off scheme up to their greedy necks!

Good night, got to get some sleep

Storm'n Norm'n said...


Nowhere in the Bible does it say Jesus was a socialist. And nowhere in His Gospels does Jesus preach Socialism or any form of socialism.

Vic Vazz said...

Your right, it wasn't really like socialism. It was more like Communism as everything owned was held in common (Communism) and no one claimed private ownership!!!!

How about that, the first Communist Christian Party ever!!! WOW

Acts 4:32-32 Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common.