Thursday, June 28, 2012

We got a war to watch...Israel vs Iran

It would be highly unsusal for Israel to attack Iran anytime soon...that is, any time soon after the talks between Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Russian President Vladimir Putin.  If in fact these recordings are legitimate then you and I are not the only ones reading this precursor to an attack.  Iran would not only have read it they would put a dent in the harbinger's plans and be setting up defensive measures that would hamper Israel's offense.  In any event the tete-a-tete sheds some light on Putin's opinion of Obama.  He doesn't come right out and say it, but to make a long story short Obama is nothing but a's Putin's words:
Nobody, but nobody in the Middle East believes this American president has the will to fight effectively for his friends or allies. ~ Russian President Vladimir Putin
The only question I have regarding this, "Who are Obama's friends?"  Oh, you're thinking ahead of me now aren't you...well let's see, there's the Muslim Brotherhood who wants to destroy our culture and then there's the pair of dolts in the U.S. Congress, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid...well enough about Obama's friends we got a war to watch. ~ Norman E. Hooben

Source for the following PJ Media
The Vlady-Bibi Tapes

Posted By Michael Ledeen

I dunno, maybe they should be called vladybibileaks, in keeping with current nomenclature, but whatever you call them, I’ve obtained a recording of (parts of) the conversation between Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Russian President Vladimir Putin. They met in Jerusalem on Monday, and the tapes arrived here late Tuesday night by courier.
PJ Media spares no expense, you know.
The recording is pretty good, but it seems the machinery stopped a few times, so the text is a bit disjointed. Nonetheless I think it provides a useful insight into the real world, as opposed to the stuff we read about so often in the popular press. The early part is just pleasant chit-chat, as Putin expresses satisfaction at being in Israel, nominally for a celebration of Red Army victories over Hitler’s army in the Second World War. Whereupon they segue into the main topics of the day:

BIBI: “We commemorate Nazi defeats here, you know.”
VLADY: “Yes, but even so it’s rare for me to be invited to an event honoring the Soviet military. Once upon a time, rulers in the Kremlin spent a lot of time flying around the satellite countries for such parties, but now nobody in those places honors our sacrifices.”

BIBI: “Don’t get me started on ingratitude. We Jews know all about that one!”
VLADY: “Hah! Well you are designated scapegoats, after all. And it’s time for you to play your designated role once again.”

BIBI: “It’s always time, and we don’t have to do anything; they do it to us.”
VLADY: “Of course. But now you should do something to show them it’s a mistake to trifle with Jews.”

BIBI: “You talking about Iran or Syria now?”
VLADY: “Iran, of course. You must leave Syria to us, as I told Mr. Obama.”
[missing section]

BIBI: “Let me make sure I understand you correctly. Are you saying you think we should go after your friends in Tehran?”
VLADY: “Some friends! You can’t imagine the problems with them. After all I’ve done, we still can’t get our invoices paid in a reasonable amount of time.”

BIBI: “Well maybe you shouldn’t have built that nuclear reactor, or arranged for them to get your antiaircraft missiles.”
VLADY: “I didn’t sell them antiaircraft missiles.”

BIBI: “You sold the missiles to Chavez in Venezuela, and he sent them to Iran, as you well know. That was the deal, wasn’t it?”
VLADY: “We gave you the jamming instructions for them, didn’t we? And the reactor still doesn’t work.”

BIBI: “So why should we do anything about it?”
VLADY: “Because it’s too dangerous to take chances with them. They’re crazy, but they’re smart, too, and eventually they will figure it out. We can’t have those crazy people with atomic bombs. And you’re the first target, so what are you waiting for?”

BIBI: “You know what? That’s precisely what the Saudis say. Word for word. ‘What are you waiting for?’ Interesting that the atheists and the Wahabbis say the same thing, don’t you think?”
VLADY: “It’s not a religious question, you know.”

BIBI: “Really? Have you tested that theory on Supreme Leader Khamenei?”
VLADY: “No. His predecessor tried to convince one of my predecessors to convert to Islam, haha.”

BIBI: “So what will you do to help us if we decide to do something?”
VLADY: “What did the Saudis offer?”

BIBI: “What do the Russians offer? I assume you will denounce us within hours, and call for the usual international conference to save the world from Zionist imperialism…”
VLADY: “Of course. If the Iranians suspect we’re helping you, things might get even worse. This way, I’ll have at least some control over the Persians.
What will we do for you? We’ve already promised that the Israeli Air Force doesn’t have to worry about Russian missiles, if you follow our instructions.”

BIBI: “How about placing some homing devices in the middle of their secret centrifuges?”
VLADY: “We might consider that.”

BIBI: “Some offer! You’re asking us to run the risk of massive retaliation and promising to lead the denunciation chorus when we do what you want. You’d better be willing to do more than enable us to beat the antiaircraft system.”
VLADY: “I understand how you feel. But, as I told that nice Spanish man, Aznar, I really don’t have to do anything about Iran, because you’re going to have to take care of it anyway.”
[Missing section]

BIBI: “I take it you don’t want the Americans involved?”
VLADY: “And you do, of course.”

BIBI: “You answer first.”
VLADY: “I don’t want them involved, but not for the reason you likely imagine. I’m not worried about America expanding its influence. That’s unthinkable these days. Nobody, but nobody in the Middle East believes this American president has the will to fight effectively for his friends or allies.
My concern is that if the Americans get involved, they’ll make a mess of it. Yes, they’ve got amazing weapons, and wonderful soldiers. But they can’t make political decisions and so they can win the fighting on the ground and then find a way to leave their enemies stronger than before.”

BIBI: “Like Iraq, you’re thinking?”
VLADY: “And Libya. And of course Egypt, where they have enabled the Brotherhood–declared enemies of the United States–to become the premier political force. And they seem quite happy about it, too. Amazing.”

BIBI: “I just want the Americans to help us with some technical matters, but I agree with you that they seem to have an odd desire to see their proclaimed enemies succeed, and their declared or would-be friends defeated. It’s hard to explain.”
VLADY: “They think that past presidents have caused the basic problems in the region by supporting the wrong sort of regimes, and they believe organizations like the Brotherhood have a legitimate complaint against America.”
[section missing]

BIBI: “So where do we stand?”
VLADY: “You need to confirm that you’re going to solve this problem as quickly as possible. I will try to find some way to hold Syria together, even if the regime in Tehran falls, and then we will work together to limit Turkey’s power in the region.”

BIBI: “But what if the sanctions work?”
VLADY: “Do you think your sabotage of the nuclear program can delay the day of judgment long enough to test the theory? Can you risk that? We of course will help the Iranians beat the sanctions, and so will our dear Chinese friends, and the Indians will both support and evade the sanctions. You’re looking at several more years, at a minimum.”

BIBI: “And revolution in Iran?”
VLADY: “Yes, that’s the wild card. Who knows? At least we can be sure that neither the Americans nor the Europeans will do anything to encourage it. The Arab revolutions aren’t working out well for them, and they are more determined than before to solve things with the ayatollahs.”

BIBI: “OK, VLADY, I think we understand each other. You owe me an answer on Russian assistance if we decide to do something, and I owe you a head’s up on our decision.
Now what shall we say to the press?”
VLADY: “How about I insist that everyone except us stay out of the Syrian mess, and that neither military force nor harsher sanctions should be used against Iran?”

BIBI: “OK, and I’ll say that we want peaceful solutions to both problems, but that tougher sanctions must be imposed on Iran.”
VLADY: “Done! And we’ll be in touch.”

BIBI: “Yes. You holding a ceremony to celebrate the liberation of Auschwitz? I might accept an invitation…”

Related...from the Jordan Times

Netanyahu urges action on Iran after meeting Putin 
OCCUPIED JERUSALEMIsraeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Monday it was time to ramp up sanctions against Iran to try to curb its nuclear programme after discussing the matter with visiting Russian President Vladimir Putin.
In his first public comments on the inconclusive round of talks in Moscow last week between world powers and Iran, Netanyahu repeated Israel's three core demands.
"I believe two things must be done now: strengthening the sanctions and also boosting the demands," Netanyahu said, without mentioning the possibility of Israeli military action should diplomacy fail.
The international community must call for the cessation of all uranium enrichment in Iran, the removal of all enriched uranium from the country and the dismantling of the Furdow underground nuclear facility, he added.
At the Moscow talks, Russia, the United States, China, Britain, France and Germany set no date for further political negotiations.
Last month, and again in the Russian capital, world powers asked Iran to close the Furdow facility where uranium is being enriched to 20 per cent fissile purity, and to ship any stocks out of the country, demands that come close to those of Israel.
Israel wants all Iranian uranium enrichment to stop, but is uneasy about the West's current focus on halting only higher-percentage enrichment close to a level needed to produce material for nuclear bombs.
Oil embargo
European governments on Monday formally approved an embargo on Iranian oil to start on July 1. Debt-ridden Greece had pushed for a delay because it relies heavily on Iranian crude to meet its energy needs, but EU governments said the embargo would go ahead as planned.
"We had an opportunity to discuss the negotiations under way between the international community and Iran," Netanyahu said of his meeting with Putin.
"We agree that nuclear weapons in the hands of Iran represents a grave danger, first of all to Israel, but also to the region and to the entire world," he said.
Putin, in his own comments to reporters at Netanyahu's residence, said they discussed Iran's nuclear programme and the situation in Syria "in great detail". He did not elaborate.
Russia takes a softer tack than the Western nations and opposes any further sanctions against Iran. Putin has said Russia has no proof that Tehran, which denies it is seeking atomic weapons, intends to become a nuclear-armed power.
His trip to Israel, the Palestinian territories and Jordan is seen as an effort to increase Russia's clout in the region at a time when the West and some Arab nations have criticised Moscow for opposing their efforts to force out Syrian President Bashar Assad.
The visit, officially billed as an opportunity to dedicate a memorial in central Israel to the Red Army's battles against Nazi Germany in World War II, began a day after the Muslim Brotherhood's Mohammed Mursi was declared the winner of Egypt's presidential election.
The outcome of the poll in Egypt, which signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1979, has raised concerns in Israel.
On Syria, Russia has brushed aside US and Arab calls to stop sending weapons to the government there, saying it supplies only defensive arms. It has also used its veto power in the United Nations Security Council to protect Syria.
Assad has helped Russia keep a foothold in the Middle East by buying billions of dollars worth of weapons and hosting a maintenance facility for the Russian navy, its only permanent warm-water port outside the former Soviet Union

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